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December 29th – San Antonio No. 13 Oklahoma State 38, No. 8 Colorado 8
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No. 13 Oklahoma State went for 527 yards of total offense in dominating No. 11 Colorado in the 2016 Alamo Bowl, 38-8. Cowboy quarterback Marcus Rudolph passed for 314 yards and three touchdowns as Oklahoma State gave the Buffs two lopsided losses to close out an otherwise successful 10-4 season.
Sefo Liufau threw for 195 yards and scored CU’s lone touchdown, a consolation six yard run in the fourth quarter after OSU had built a 31-0 lead. Phillip Lindsay led the Buffs in rushing and receiving, with 14 carries for 63 yards to go with six receptions for 103 yards.
The Buff offense struggled throughout the night, with neither Sefo Liufau nor Steven Montez able to consistently move the ball. Head coach Mike MacIntyre said he saw in Liufau “a bummed up quarterback on an ankle that couldn’t throw as accurately as he would like”, while in Montez, he also inaccuracy: “He wasn’t where he usually is. I don’t know why, so we put Sefo back in and tried to go.”
The loss left the Buffs with a 10-4 final record, ending the season on a two-game losing streak. The final two games, ending with a combined score of 79-18, left a sour taste in the mouths of the Buffs, but a renewed dedication to return and defend their Pac-12 South title in 2017. “Everything is kind of new for a lot of us,” said junior running back Phillip Lindsay. “Now we kind of got our feet wet, been in the Pac-12 championship, the Alamo Bowl. Now it’s about going back to the drawing board. Now we know how to get there and it’s about finishing. It comes down to finishing.”
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For the 13th time in 14 games, Colorado won the opening coin toss …
… and that was about the only thing which went right for the Buffs all evening.
Buff fans had become accustomed throughout the 2016 regular season in seeing their defense force a three-and-out to start the game (it happened six times). Instead of bowing to custom, the Oklahoma State offense marched smartly down the field, covering 64 yards in ten plays before being forced to settle for a 28-yard field goal by kicker Ben Grogan.
In posting a score on the opening drive, the Cowboys became only the second team all season to accomplish such a feat. The other? Washington in the Pac-12 title game.
An ominous sign of things to come.
The Buffs were unable to respond on their first offensive drive. After Phillip Lindsay picked up 15 yards on CU’s first play from scrimmage, the drive stalled, with the Oklahoma State defense forcing a punt after only four plays and 23 yards by the Buffs.
After the CU defense got the ball back on a punt by the Cowboys, the Buff offense set off on its only productive drive of the first half. Taking over at the own six yard line, the Buffs’ drive was initially kept alive on a 13-yard completion from quarterback Sefo Liufau to wide receiver Devin Ross. A 16-yard run by Phillip Lindsay and an 11-yard completion to Bryce Bobo got the Buffs out to their own 40.
A one-yard run on a direct snap to Jay MacIntyre on third-and-one kept the Buffs in possession at midfield. Next, tight end Sean Irwin collected his first reception of the season, a 15-yarder to the OSU 34-yard line. The Buffs were unable to post another first down, however, and any momentum the Buffs may have accumulated was lost when kicker Chris Graham missed a 47-yard field goal attempt.
The teams then traded three-and-outs as the first quarter came to a close with the Cowboys in possession of a 3-0 lead.
Taking over at their 36-yard line early in the second quarter, the Oklahoma State offense produced the first touchdown drive of the game. The Cowboys covered the 64 yards in seven plays, which included a 24-yard pass from running back Chris Carson back to his quarterback, Mason Rudolph. Carson finished off the drive in a more conventional fashion, scoring on a ten-yard run to make it 10-0, Cowboys, early in the second quarter.
Instead of responding, the Buff offense against was forced into a three-and-out, with the Cowboys taking control of the game on their next possession. A second consecutive seven play drive, this time covering 66 yards, culminated in a seven yard touchdown pass from Rudolph to James Washington.
Oklahoma State 17, Colorado 0, with seven minutes still remaining in the second quarter.
An unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the ensuing kickoff gave the Buffs their best field position of the first half, starting at their own 41 yard line. From there, however, the Buff offense went backward, with a false start penalty and two sacks costing the Buffs 17 yards. On the second sack, Sefo Liufau was injured, with freshman Steven Montez pressed into duty.
The play call on third-and-27 was a concession – a screen pass – but Phillip Lindsay turned it into a 38-yard gain. The fresh breath of optimism for the Buff faithful, however, was short lived. On the very next play, the Buffs tried a trick play, with a handoff and pitch back to Montez. The long pass to the end zone came up short – three yards short, to be exact – where it was intercepted by Ashton Lampkin.
Halftime score: No. 13 Oklahoma State 17, No. 11 Colorado 0
If the Buffs were looking for inspiration at halftime, they needed only to be reminded that in the Alamo Bowl the year before, Oregon took a 31-0 lead into the break, only to be caught and passed by TCU, with the Horned Frogs winning 47-41 in three overtimes.
History did not repeat itself in the 2016 Alamo Bowl.
With Montez at the helm, the Buff offense quickly and quietly its third three-and-out of the game to open the second half. Conversely, Oklahoma State’s offense had no such issues, covering 67 yards in seven plays on its first possession. The Cowboys came up empty, however, as the Buff defense held once OSU got to the CU eight yard line, with kicker Ben Grogan missing a 25-yard field goal attempt which would have made it a 20-0 game.
The Colorado offense, buoyed by the gift from the Cowboys … went three-and-out yet again.
On their next possession, the Cowboys put the game out of reach for good. Taking 12 plays to cover 71 yards, a six-yard touchdown pass from Rudolph to Blake Jarwin gave OSU a comfortable 24-0 advantage with five minutes remaining in the third quarter.
Sefo Liufau returned to the game on CU’s next possession, and the Buffs did pick up their first first down of the second half, but that was as far as they could go, turning the ball over on downs when Liufau was stuffed for no gain on fourth-and-one at the CU 48-yard line.
The third quarter came to a close five plays later, when Mason Rudolph connected on his third touchdown pass of the night, hitting Jhajuan Seales for a 23-yard score with five seconds remaining in the quarter.
31-0, Oklahoma State.
The Buffs were primed for a consolation score on their next drive after Liufau hit Phillip Lindsay for a 42-yard gain down to the OSU seven yard line. Four plays and two total yards later, however, the score was still 31-0 as a Liufau pass on fourth-and-goal fell incomplete.
Colorado finally got on the board on its next drive, with a nine-play, 77-yard drive highlighted by completions by Liufau to Shay Fields for 12 yards, Bryce Bobo for ten, and Jay MacIntyre for 17. The touchdown came on a six yard run by Sefo Liufau, with the Buffs making it a 31-8 game when Liufau hit Phillip Lindsay for a two-point conversion.
The Buffs failed on an onside kick attempt after the score, giving the ball to the Cowboys at the CU 41-yard line. Three plays later, the Cowboys were on the board again, with Justice Hill running up the middle untouched for a 37-yard touchdown to close out the scoring.
Final score: No. 13 Oklahoma State 38, No. 11 Colorado 8
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The domination on the scoreboard was reflected in the final stats sheet. Oklahoma State finished with 527 yards of total offense against a Buff defense which was giving up only 328.3 yards per game during the season. The Buffs, meanwhile, were held to 318 yards of total offense, including only 62 yards rushing (a third of CU’s regular season average of 191.9 yards per game).
The final two games of the 2016 season had some significant parallels. Both Washington and Oklahoma State scored on their first two drives of the game – the only two teams during the year to do so. The Huskies and Cowboys were also the only teams which failed to turn the ball over against the Buff defense, ending a streak of 25 consecutive games in which the Colorado defense was able to force at least one turnover.
The Buff defense was hampered by injuries, both before and during the game. CU’s standout cornerbacks Chidobe Awuzie and Ahkello Witherspoon, both played despite having practiced little before the game. Awuzie was suffering from turf toe, while Witherspoon had a shoulder injury. “They tried to play,” said MacIntyre. “Chido stayed off (his injured foot) and tried to play but he wasn’t quite himself. … Ahkello wasn’t able to lift his arm above his head until yesterday. He toughed it out and tried to play.”
Still, MacIntyre was proud of his Pac-12 South champions.
“It didn’t end like we’d like it to, but wow, what they’ve done,” said MacIntyre. “They’ve set a foundation for us to keep improving. That’s the next step in the process.”
Here is the YouTube video of the game …
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Game Notes …
— Colorado fell to 12-17 all-time in bowl games, with a 9-11 record against ranked teams;
— Colorado sold out its allotment of 6,500 tickets for the game, the most tickets by any Pac-12 school for an Alamo Bowl. Overall, the 59,815 in attendance marked the first Alamo Bowl with under 60,000 in attendance since 2010;
— With the loss, the Buffs’ advantage in the all-time series against Oklahoma State fell to 26-20-1, with the Cowboys winning the last three games played between the two teams;
— The Buffs were held scoreless through three quarters for just the second time in bowl history (the other was the 1972 Gator Bowl (a 24-3 loss to Auburn);
— Sean Irwin had his first catch of the season (for 15 yards), just the fourth catch by a tight end all season;
— The two-point conversion pass from Sefo Liufau to Phillip Lindsay was the first successful two-point conversion for Colorado in a bowl game (previously 0-4 in bowl games);
— Phillip Lindsay (six catches for 103 yards) became the first Buff in CU history with two 100-yard receiving games (previously had six catches for 105 at USC);
— Sefo Liufau’s rushing touchdown was the first for a Buff quarterback since the 1999 Insight.com Bowl (both Mike Moschetti and Zac Colvin had rushing touchdowns in the 62-28 rout of Boston College);
— With a 5 1/2- game improvement from 2015 (4-9 to 10-4), Colorado tied five other schools – Troy, Georgia Tech, Eastern Michigan, Army and Central Florida – for the best improvement in the 2016 season.
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21 Replies to “Oklahoma State 38, Colorado 8”
Should have said that possible future QBs of quality must be convinced that they might not have to wait injuries to see any playing time while the primary QB is healthy.
Leavitt was definitely missed in this game. I think he was a strong contributor to the miracle season and enabled Mc2 to spend most of December collecting a lot of hardware. Agree with those above who insist CU hires a top notch coach as the new DC and have only one OC in charge during a game. Also Mc2 continues to keep Montez benched even when Sefo is injured and obviously not throwing with accuracy. He has a strong tendency to reward tenacity and loyalty but this does not allow backup QBs to get the necessary game experience so they are sharp when called upon in an emergency. Montez did a very credible job when he played in several successive games but was a deer in headlights when he had to enter the Michigan game suddenly. While admirable this tendency cannot help when recruiting QBs for the future if they are not convinced they will have to wait years to get playing time. Just a few practical observations accumulate over 80 plus years of watching football at all levels.
One word sums up the performance from Thursday night – PATHETIC. The only individual that showed up was Ralphie – she did an awesome in her first run outside CO. Sadly my wife noticed Ralphie was more fired up for game. Everyone in our section (even the OSU fans) knew that on 3rd and short that Sefo was going to run the ball…so frustrating.
To end the season with two blowout losses takes some of the “shine” off the season. The program is no doubt headed in the right direction, but getting blown out is unacceptable, right?
I think Lindgren needs to go because Chev is more that capable of leading this offense and making it less predictable.
OK, got that rant out of my system…my wife will be happy because I would have left San Antonio on Thursday night if there was a late enough flight because I was so frustrated. I don’t mind losing but when you’re not even competitive it’s unacceptable. (Sorry I’m not part of “participation ribbon” generation)
Excited for the future and I already have plans to take my 2 daughters to a game in Boulder next year…GO BUFFS!
Yo Stuart,
It was a tale of two seasons for our Buffs.
Against the Have-Nots (those not in the Top 25 in the pre-bowl poll), Colorado was 9-0. The Buffs outscored those teams 362-154 (or an average of 40-17). That is a very good thing. It used to be that most of the have-not teams used to beat CU with alarming regularity. That’s the way that it has been for decade before this year. Things have changed.
Against teams that did end up in the Top 25 following the regular season, the Buffs went 1-4. The were outscored by the ranked teams 150-73 (an average of 30-14).
All the Buffs need to do to stay a fixture in the 15-25 range is to continue to beat ALL the non-ranked teams and some of the lower ranked in the Top 25. That will ensure a bowl each year if that alone is their goal.
If they want to compete for championships (Pac-12 and National), they need to learn to score on good teams and to not be so predictable in their play-calling. The better teams and defensive coordinators are destroying the play calling abilities of Brian Lindgren.
Against the good teams, the Buffs are scoring nearly FOUR TOUCHDOWNS less than against the have-not teams. By the same token, their defense is giving up almost two more touchdowns due to the fact that the offense is not giving them any support by holding on to the ball and putting points on the board.
The University of Colorado needs to decide what they want and are willing to do. They can settle for winning 8-10 games a year to ensure a bowl game, or they can take the next step and become a truly elite team. Let’s hope that going back to the way things were for the last decade before this season is not an option.
The Buffs won’t be sneaking up on anyone next year, so they will have to get better just to stay where they are now. Are they ready to do that? Are they ready to lose their better coaches every year because Colorado wants 5-star results but are only willing to pay significantly less than the average?
The ball is in the hands of Colorado poohbahs now, along with Rick George and Mike MacIntyre. Let’s see how they do between now and next season.
I hope they look at Brian Lindgren who was featured quite a few times on ESPN during the Alamo Bowl looking completely overwhelmed and out of his league. If they choose not to upgrade there, I fear that Colorado will have chosen to be a lower-tier Top 25 team at best. We will see.
Go Buffs!
Mark
Boulderdevil
When it comes to hiring a defensive coordinator there is only one rule. Hire the best coach available, not your friend, not someone already on the staff, none of these are disqualifiers but nor are they qualifiers either. Hire the best guy available.
Phil was scintillating as usual. I love to watch that guy run. Lots of enthusiastic Buff fans traveled. The CU band looked and sounded tight and fit, especially when compared to the orange waddlers.
That’s where it ended.
I don’t care who complains but I am going on my get rid of Lindgren bender again. He couldn’t mix up a scrambled egg. He doesn’t know the difference between Phil’s and Sefo’s jersey numbers and Sefo, who is a lot of things, is not Barry Sanders. I only saw a couple of play action plays.The only roll outs to avoid the rush were by Steven and I’m sure it wasn’t a designed part of the play. This team was dead in the water from the first possession. We quit throwing deep to the receivers who are the strength of our offense after a couple of drops….ok so you are getting tired of listening to me….go watch the game tape and tell me you want to keep Lindgren around next year. And I don’t want to hear any lame excuses from Howell.
“Couldn’t mix scrambled eggs”, are you serious? We threw a pass to our tight end Irwin in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. I think it was a first for the the offense this year. That’s genius right there. OSU was flummoxed with this barrage of unpredictability from our coordinator…
Seriously, Lindgren must go
Great season, sad ending. Hats off to players for hard work, dedication, and making the program relevant again. The future is bright but some changes, IMO, need to be made, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. The predictable, conservative offensive play calling has to stop. If Lindgren does not move on, then more of the offensive reins have to be handed to Chev. Buffs were conservative from the start and then the constant QB runs on 3rd and short were exasperating. Overall, good to be relevant and on “The Rise”. Looking forward to 2017 and beyond.
I just want to thank the senior class. What an amazing season! I remember sitting at a table during the Kickoff luncheon and going around the table about how many wins we all thought. Remember to be at the kick off luncheon you are the definition of a “fan”atic. Most of the table was hoping for 6, but many of them were pretty sure we would need some luck to get there. They all looked at me a bit sideways when I said they had a legit shot at 8 because I expected a bit of a down year for the PAC 12 as a whole. But it was these young men that went out and executed. Every loss this year will be against a team that will end up in the top 12 maybe even the top 10. Cu should end up ranked in the top 20. Truly an amazing season! I bought one of those bricks and on it I said “This is the year!” And it was this was the year we turned it around. I believe that next year is the year we prove we are back for good. So excited about the future. I love Lindsey’s comments. Now we know where the bar is for great. This year we were the best of the good teams. Next year let’s push to become great. In the end everyone is going to fail and fall short. The measure of you is how you react. I am betting these buffs come back hungry and have a great off season.
Yup a great season.
Yup an unexpected season
Yup a great group of young men.
Yup there will be some new bricks
Yup can’t wait until next season #NewEra
Now I do believe Leavitt was/is missed for that game. Not just for his x and o stuff either.
Now I believe that Mac2 missing half the bowl practices while he was on his “look at me tour” (deserved yup) caused a problem in prep for this game as well as other things.
The team looked ill prepared
The team looked listless
Chev was screaming at em just to get them to run to the locker room at half.
Once again the offense killed the defense. How many points in the last two most important games of the year. Yup there will be also sorts of excuses and blaming Sefo blah blah blah. That was a piece of krap game plan. And play calling. Oh no Sefo just ran up the middle on 3rd down again….What??
I believe Tumpkin will do fine if selected.
I believe RG needs to put the pressure on Mac2 (blinded by the lights and awards) to upgrade to a real OC or the rise will be stalled….maybe at a lower level.
That is all. On to BB both men and women.
Started at the bottom now we here.
did I see you on the Riverwalk Wednesday about 5pm?
This was absolutely tough to watch!!! the last two games especially though. felt like Icarus the last two games in which we flew too close to the sun and watched us come back down to earth.
I am still very proud of this team though and the 10 wins they accomplished. South Division Champs is not bad and we have a great recruiting class. Facilities are top notch and Rick George is raising the money necessary to compete year in and year out.
Next year do i expect ten wins, sadly no. with all the departures on the D line and DB’s graduating we will be fighting an uphill battle all season (hope I’m wrong). Expectations are to win from now on though with the season we had in 2016. 7-8 wins next year is conceivable and birth to the holiday bowl or better. Love my Alma mater and love these BUFFS!!! tough grit and they pulled themselves through all the adversity through their time here.
GO BUFFS CU IN 17
Happy new year BUffnation
A very disappointing end to what was a remarkable season. Once OK State was up 17-0 last night, I found myself flashing back to the 2002 Fiesta Bowl, which was a buzzkill of comparable effect (at least in my opinion).
A hell of a ride this year. A hell of a ride. Just wish that a better end had been written in December.
-Adam
Well, those were definitely two ugly games to end the season.
On the bright side? They highlight plenty of room for improvement, all around, despite the unparalleled turnaround season. And, those last two games do nothing to temper my enthusiasm and optimism for next year.
I expect they’ll be better than a lot of people may predict, as the season approaches. Again.
This group has achieved plenty of success. Next challenge? Sustaining it.
Happy New Year, people. Best wishes for a happy, healthy and prosperous 2017 to all Buff Nation.
Go Buffs!
I was at the game, and saw a Buffs team that was simply outplayed, and as much as I hate to say it, outcoached. Losing Leavitt hurt. Watching from the stands, our defense gave huge cushions, and many QBs could have thrown against us last night. I also noticed, before the game even started, that Ok St seemed to have a higher energy level, and seemed much more pumped. It was a great season, and I am excited for the future, but I hope we find the replacement for Leavitt, and I agree that Chev needs to take the reigns on Offense.
That was an embarrassing game. Yep, I said it. I’m ok with the defensive performance given the conditions. That is the best QB they played all season. His accuracy and timing was almost impossible to defend at times.
The offense is a shambles. Sefo inaccuracy and receivers dropping passes started things off poorly. Lindgren predictable play selection sealed the deal, even with the few trick plays sprinkled in. How many times can you run a QB keep up the middle on 3rd and 4th down? You’re not fooling anyone. This offense was dynamic at the beginning of the season. What happened?
The 4 CU losses will most likely all be to top 10 teams this year. We still are not quite there yet, in talent, skill, execution, and coaching. Just have to solace ourselves with a 10 win season a PAC 12 South championship and a good feeling that we hopefully will not be the doormat of the conference anymore.
Lotta work to be done. It is an old cliche but it really does start up front and the weakness that was most glaring last night was the Oline. Even though Sefo scored the TD I don’t know why they continued to run him on certain plays in the second half. While Lindsay busted some good ones the running game is still inconsistent.
We just all have to feel better about the program forward though even though we didn’t look very good in these last 2 games this year.
Thank you Buffs Football for an overall great year after over 10 years in the wilderness.
The last two games of the year demonstrated for me that the Buffs peaked the right year… the PAC-12 was much weaker this year. WSU got smacked down and Utah struggled with a 6-6 BIG-10 team. Both had difficult times in their bowls and yet were contending for their division title to the end. USC had a horrible start to the year that hamstrung them the rest of the year otherwise I’m convinced they would have won the PAC-12. With this performance, CU will most definitely fall in the final poll. My real concern is whether recruits will take these two last games as an indication that CU is not really risen and has feasted on poor competition and will bolt from their commitment.
Mac has to find another great Defensive Coordinator to keep this program rising. While he is at it, please find a very good special teams coach. This ST coaching by committee should be evaluated for what it is – a failure. I agree with Buffalo Billy that despite the offenses seemingly success this year, they really have been flat since the Stanford game and the team has had to depend on the defense to win games for them. The Rise was put on hold over the last half of the season.
What happened to the offensive line the last two games? Did they read their own press clippings. No QB can be successful behind that line. My hat is off to Phil Lindsey who despite the poor execution and blocking of the OL, still broke tackles and had a decent game.
2017 is going to be tough to get to 10 wins with the improvement in the rest of the league and the lose of senior leadership off the defense. It will take a couple of years for the new defensive coordinator to get his system in place and for the new young guns to learn it. After years of losing, I’m pessimistic about next year. Let’s hope I’m wrong!
Go Buffs!!!
What I predicted for the outcome of the Alamo Bowl was a 24 pt. win for the Pokes…. I under-estimated them. Long before the coin toss, we pundits with lesser credentials (all friends) were all in agreement with what we felt the outcome would be….just not the score.
All of our predictions were in agreement and were based on overall talent and apparent trends by the Buffs that became more apparent as the season progressed. These trends were:
1). A porous OL which was assimilated ( during MM’s first recruiting class ) when all he had to select from was left-overs of the P-5 teams. Who could blame the more talented recruits ? No one in the first recruiting class with exceptional talent wanted to join a program that was burnt to the ground. That also had an effect on the second class MM recruited.
How Coach Mike assimilated a competitive team has been a miracle in and of itself… I’m just not talking about the OL as he had to coach modest talent (in most positions) to perform to their optimum capabilities to be successful against good teams.
2). Sefo’s tendency for errant throws… most caused by desperation under duress. Understand, everyone loves the guy as no one has a bigger heart or love to be a Buff and team member.
3). Offensive predictability: Do I have to elaborate ? Okay, I will. In this bowl game, I accurately predicted – roughly – 4 out of 5 first-down plays and most all third down plays with 3 yds. or less. Because of this, we have to agree, we have a LINGERING PROBLEM. Additionally, the “O” had no apparent imagination or adjustments at half time such as changing schemes…. Perhaps QB roll-outs to move the pocket and play-action / options. The pro-type pocket passing was being decimated by OSU’s defensive front.
4). Defense: If it weren’t for Coach Leavitt there were some games the Buffs would not have won. I can’t exaggerate enough how wrong it is for a coach to leave before a bowl game is played when he has been hired away by another school. This possibility should be addressed and changed by the NCAA. It’s not only unfair to the original team and school, but especially to the individual players.
5). Although it’s apparent that Coach Tumpkin is an excellent DB coach, he doesn’t have the pedigree to be a DC at this point.
For the future: Get a good DC and get rid of any LINGERING problem….. then, convince the powers in place to increase the salaries of the coaches so they are on par with the best programs.
If this isn’t done, expect CU to be a stepping stone for really good coaches. This should include petitioning the Colorado legislature to change its policy regarding limitations on assistant coaches’ contracts so CU can operate their athletic programs to be competitive with and similar to the top programs in the nation.
Whatever was wrong with Witherspoon and Awuzie last night killed the defense. Once the Buffs were forced into that 5 DB zone, they were unable to blitz and the Okie St QB was just too good. That was a tough try out for Tumpkins, like playing chess without all of the pieces.
The Buff offense was very disappointing. The O-line has gotten better this year, but they have a long way to go. I love Sefo. He is a tough guy and has a great heart, but when you compare the QB play in the games we lost, it is apparent that the Buffs have got to get better there. Montez has a lot of physical talent, but can he get it together? Lytle is coming in a couple of weeks (according to the schedule I’ve heard) and I’m sure that he sees the opportunity for next year.
Wow. Not what I was expecting whatsoever. Without getting into the real fine points of the game, it did appear Leavitt’s leaving had a huge effect on defense.
One would think with 2 offensive coordinators someone could come up with something better than they did. Again, Montez put into a no win situation. Lindsay put in a good effort as well as some of the wr’s that got rocked continually over the middle. Sefo’s inaccuracy and inability to stay healthy probably sealed his fate in the NFL.
On to next year and one comment for mac……Get rid of Lindgren. Chev seemed to be hamstrung.